Episode Transcript Welcome everybody to Find Your Grit. I'm here with Nick Pelletier, who is an ultra endurance athlete. The first thing I wanna get off is your reason why. The first time I met you and all these amazing things that you've done, I think we connected on grit and what that meant. And as knowing you more and more and more as you were talking with me, it spelled out exactly what I use grit as, the meaning of. So tell everybody a little bit more about you and your reason why. 00:31 Yeah, I think... 00:34 My whys came from a lot of, I feel like, hardship on my side as far as injuries. So when I was a college baseball player growing up, or like baseball player, all the way up through high school, junior high, everything, went to a sport-specific high school. So I learned to train as a professional athlete from a young age, being around professional athletes. And yeah, it was, it was a lot of concussions coming up. 01:04 and took me out of sports for like almost three years, had like this vignette of darkness. I was around my vision for so long and kind of that feeling of not being able to do the things that you want to do and like seeing the people in the spots that are taking your spot and are doing the things that you wanna be doing. You learn to like not take for granted when you get the opportunity to do those things again. 01:34 And also it helps like doing things like my endurance things for for causes for people who can't or for like this last swim I did was a mental awareness for like mental health and And it's to break down those stigmas of like people who are doing masculine things like these ultra things and that Those are the kind of people that you want to 02:03 be able to talk about these things, right? Because these stigmas that you have in mental health and everything you do like that, it... 02:17 people don't feel like i can step out and and talk about these things and uh... and and my wife for for all these things is does remember in those those days or you can do anything 02:31 And then when you get that opportunity to do it, it's not taking for granted that chance. And then it's almost like you learn to appreciate the struggle, the grind, and like having the grit to get through that stuff. And... 02:48 It's almost a privilege to suffer at that point. Like, you start to appreciate it. I like to say if you learn to accept and make peace with your current situation, you'll gain the ability to identify gratitude in any scenario, good or bad throughout your whole life. So just being able to find the gratitude in those situations and scenarios and seeing the culmination of that, like... 03:14 blood, sweat, and tears, and time, and everything coming together for these finishing points is like these rare moments in life. And on a normal day of life, I feel like you're living between a four to a seven on a scale of one to ten. But during these ultras, you swing on a pendulum from the worst to the worst, trying to figure out how to get through injuries and pain and your own mental darkness. 03:44 in life where your friends and family are there. And you get to these points that don't come around very often. They're earned because they're like they're rare because they're earned. But a life full of pursuing those is something I think is worth pursuing. And then showing other people that just because you've been put in a situation that you didn't want to be put in. Or. 04:13 Or you kind of just have to, like I was saying, accept where you're at, make peace with it, and then just take what you got and move on. So, so being the motivation for other people to take those steps is a lot of my why. 04:28 Well, that's incredible. I think one of the coolest things about what we're doing here with the company and being able to use the word grit and how you defined it personally is how to intertwine and correlate the connection between you had specifically said, you know, fighting the demons. And there's a lot of ways to be able to do that without saying, fuck it, because our fuck it's just changed. We still say, fuck it. They just they're not as detrimental to who we love and to ourselves. But we'll put that suffering on the test to be able to realize 04:58 are these demons even worth fighting for? Am I fighting against something or am I fighting for something? So at the end of it, although you feel like you're dying, you are just surviving. That's what life is all about, which I love that. And I think a lot of the help and motivation that you provide towards the people that are around you and watching you is that your story is of strength, you know, of coming off of injuries. And I can relate to that very much so with, you know, three ACL reconstructions and... 05:24 you know, countless others and with the rotator cuff. And yet I found who I was through those. And a lot of it was just pushing myself physically to persevere, but I had to do it mentally as well. And at the same time, you know, it wasn't a 12 step program. It was like, just put me through the worst of it so I can get through it, but I had to go through it to get through it. And that reason why, and trying to get that out of someone else is tough, because it brings someone back to like that, that back room, you know, that their childhood room where 05:53 All the pictures up on our wall are full of regrets and mistakes and majority of the time when you open up that can and you hit it 50 mile or I mean, I'm sure you're in there for 15, 20 and then it like hits and then adrenaline dump sets in and then you're stuck in that room and you realize are those pictures even meant to be there in the first place. So going through it this type of way is how you really heal for the longevity of your life. I truthfully believe that as well. 06:19 Well, tell me, Nick, I think a lot of people are really curious about your swim. That's 113 kilometers, right? Yeah, yeah. I attempted it twice, and then I got done on the third time. On your 113, what point going through that water was your 0 to 10? And what pushed you through that swimming opposed to running? Yeah, I think swimming's super hard, because it's a place where humans aren't really. 06:49 thriving or supposed to be in long periods of time like your body starts to break down in the water Even I got sliced on my toe in the in the swim on the side of the boat and At the end when I went to get stitches It was so malleable my skin that they couldn't put stitches in it even and just pull right through so 07:13 Yeah, I mean like your body breaks down in the water. So that's also different than running in the way that or cycling. If you get to an aid station in a race, you can like sit down, take a break, eat some food or when you're swimming. It's like your resting is more work than your. 07:33 Swimming because you're trying to tread water with your feet keep your head above the waves are coming hitting you you're trying to Eat and all this thing and then it's a it's a cycle of oh I can't wait till I get to my next break in an hour because I'd eat every hour and then when you get there It's like oh This is more work than swimming and then you go back to swimming. It's like I'm on my break It was just over and over and over but and yeah, I think I mean the toughest part 08:01 of this fast swim was I'd gotten to the bridge in Kelowna's halfway, so this was at like a 56 kilometre mark, so like halfway through, and I was getting hallucinations at this point. I was like 30-some hours in, and my crew was like worried about my safety and everything, and they had went to my dad and said that, like I think it's been a good... 08:30 I had a support bone next to me the whole time. So they were the ones who would give me the food each hour and stuff like that. But the crew went and they said, yeah, I think it's, like he's never made it this far before. On my previous two attempts, I had made it halfway. It was just before halfway when I had the chafing issues and my wrist injury, the second attempt. But yes, my dad and I had this conversation. I was like sitting there in the water and my dad. 08:59 had to voice their opinions, but I know what he wanted. And as soon as I told him what I wanted, it was no hesitation that, no, I'm not stopping this, we're going on. But at that point, it was meant to be 40 hour goal, up to 50 hours, was what I had planned for. 09:29 But by that point, we're already at like 30 something. We're only at halfway. So your logistics change as you go further on. So the crew got thinner. People had to go back to their normal lives and things. And we had certain crew members that were bringing different friends out. And it was kind of planted by year. And that's what I really like in these situations is having people that are solution-oriented and not problem-focused. 09:56 having people that can figure things out on the fly and be like malleable and be able to figure things out so we got to going through into the second night and this is called rattlesnake island it's like three quarters of the way in the lake 10:14 And we're going across this crossing, because the lake, it's like an ass almost, a zigzag. So you don't have a straight routing line. You have to cross over to get the most direct path. You're crossing always. So we made this crossing. It's like a 10-kilometer, six-mile crossing. It's supposed to take a few hours. But we were going into the night, and the nights are always hard, because. 10:41 It's pitch black in the water. And when you're out there and like, there's nothing on the shore or anything, there's no houses or anything. So it's pitch black on the shore. So you're going from black to black, like to black when you're looking and breathing and it gets so disoriented. And so it's like, you're in a, like a, um, one of those float tanks and like century deprivation. Yeah. So you start getting like hallucinations and dizzy and like, yeah, you haven't slept in two days at this point. I remember feeling like we also had a current. 11:11 going against us and headwinds. So it was like every time I'd stop to even try and eat and I'd get pushed back. So it was like I'd have to swim as hard as I could, even just keep moving forward. And then I remember having like some feud and like. 11:27 my crew saying like I know where I come looking at where I'm supposed to be going, but apparently I was going off a bit and then like I'm arguing with them and that was like a real turmoil with the crew and everything. Like when the documentary comes out everybody will see that, but but it's these uh yeah those dark moments it's like 11:46 At this point too, my shoulder had basically stopped working. I was doing this weird kind of pull with my lat stroke, but the previous year when my shoulder gave out, or the previous attempt when my shoulder gave out, I had never, I knew it could be like a... 12:05 Anything could happen, but I never really thought that it would just stop working like that So when I did I didn't really it wasn't really prepared for moving forward I just kind of tried to swim one arm for a couple hours and then the headwinds are so bad that I couldn't keep going With the wrist and shoulder injury and everything so on the this new attempt the third attempt most recent one all winter and like training for the past couple years, I've been 12:33 getting used to doing these different strokes in case that problem did occur again, which it did. So I was able to keep moving forward, but I'll be slower. That's why we're at the point we were, getting longer and longer and longer. But yeah, those dark moments and like, you really do gotta think of it as, and I could just go with anything in life, it's being goal motivated, like the goal is a lake and to the end in Penticton, but you gotta be. 13:03 goal motivated but process oriented. So the process is just showing up and doing not 113 kilometer swim but 113 one kilometer swims. 13:16 The kilometer that just happened doesn't matter anymore. It's done. It's behind you. The kilometer that's in front of you doesn't matter unless you can get through the one you're on. So it's literally just breaking down the one you're on and even breaking that down into parts, 250 meters. And what do I need to tell myself to go this much further? And then that's when I start thinking back to like, 13:39 what I was seeing, kidding things like my Mexico trip, when I saw you across Mexico, or when I was in a tough spot there, or crossing America, or anything like that, right? And you start to pick and pull your lessons from these other experiences and plug it into the one you're in. And it really is just like a puzzle. You're picking and pulling and putting it together. And then, there's no right way to do stuff like this either. Everybody's gonna get through it differently. So, it's really just finding what works for you. And then... 14:09 Yeah, doing it that way. But that was definitely probably the hardest part, hardest thing I've ever done in my life for sure. Well, that's insane. One of those deprivation tanks I used to do meditation for an hour or two, but even to think about how long you're in, and opposed to how many other people were having to navigate. And you have no point of contact with any of these guys, other than them telling you quick spurs of things while you're in the midst of the swim. 14:36 That's absolutely insane. I'm just gonna get right to a pretty good one. I always think to myself, as many things that I've pushed myself through to try to find that survival mode, there was always a reason to it. I always went back to a thought. I want you to tell me specifically not. 14:54 just the reason of why you got in, and because we went over that, but inside of you, like, was this something from childhood? Was this something that you want to accomplish? Is this something that you want to redefine? Or are you just doing these races to help yourself realize that you can survive all of this? Yeah, I think like growing up, I was in a household and parents are still together. Like I had a good childhood and... 15:24 I obviously did like my sports and everything and like I said I learned how to train like a professional athlete from a young age. 15:34 I got that instilled in me like a work ethic and everything, but I think once I got done baseball and done everything like that, it would be easy to take a life that you might go to the gym and like train a bit and keep it going. But I knew the person I wanted to be, the people I looked up to, they all had things that like went. 15:56 terribly wrong in their life or they had these situations that made them into the person they are like these grueling hardships and With me doing these events I learned more in a day two days than I do in months of normal life and if you think about doing a one-hour run, let's say 16:21 You're still going to go through these ups and downs and highs and lows and like you get through and it's done It's one hour, right? And then if you did one of those each day, that's seven hours a week, right? So if you run for two days straight right there's 48 hours you just 16:36 Like how many weeks is that? I have training and that's in two days. And if you start doing things like multi-day expeditions, which go like a month at a time, you're living like years worth of life in these months, right? Yeah. And it's these lessons I learned and these hardships that like make me into the better man I am. And without that, I'm not saying I wouldn't have a prosperous life or... 17:04 or feel valued or anything, but I feel like my value I can bring to people comes from the lessons I've learned in these situations I put myself in, right? And a lot of that drive in the moment to keep going does come from like... 17:25 Going back to those times where I felt disassociated from my body for like three years with the concussions and injuries and like feeling like you're watching yourself from like outer body experience because you're like turning your head and then it feels like your eyes go and it's like you can't even look at your phone, you can't do school work, you can't do sports, you can't do anything. You just feel like useless. And 17:51 and like always in pain. So a lot of that's when I'm in pain during these events and things, I just think back to like, it's a privilege to be able to be here suffering because you've been in a spot where you've been in pain and you can't do shit. So. That's a huge one. I appreciate you sharing that. I think self-inflicted suffering to optimize learning and maturity through your own is pretty wild. Not many people will say that. I mean, we have... 18:20 people that we look up to as like David Goggins and Jaco Willink. And David Goggins is a great one to be able to just get up and go get it, you know, and figure it out. And discipline equals freedom with Jaco. And I mean, all these sayings are just words until you're able to apply them yourself. And you doing the self-inflicted suffering too mature in the quickest way possible to get through it. I think, too, it's like you can only take so much motivation from people. Until it just goes. Yeah, you can listen to David Goggins all day. But one point you're going to have to say, fuck it, I'm putting my shoes on. I'm actually doing it. 18:50 the second you put on your shoes on what happens, you're in your head, you're already making up other things like that. So discipline equals freedom is you're already on a roll. You're saying now, you know, these own words and definitions in your head that mean it, but you have to go through it to understand it. And simply, I think one of the biggest things with you is that if you're trying to break it down to someone on a smaller scale on wanting to self suffer, wanting to understand maturity and growth, especially from the aspect of 19:16 learning, discipline, time management, security, and who they are. I think self-worth and value are what we have is the most jaded, saturated thing in this world that we can pretty much tie any of our egos to whatever we do. Yet, your ego has to not be attached to what you're doing. Same thing in mixed martial arts or any other sport. You have to detach that ego or you're not going to be able to grow. You have to accept where you're at on a level and it's just you against you. How do you... 19:46 how do you break that down to a smaller person to be able to help them start it? So then it's not motivation and it's momentum that sticks. So like, how do you break down where you've started from? I guess if I was someone new and I said, hey, man, Nick, I saw you on Instagram. I love being like doing what you're doing. I want to do something like that too. I want to find how suffering can give me freedom and a different perspective. Where do I start? Yeah, well, I think everybody starts at different places. Like. 20:15 When I was playing baseball, I was an explosive athlete. So. 20:21 lots of like heavy lifting, sprint work, like everything was short bursts, right? And then getting into endurance sports, I did triathlon and then moved from triathlon into the ultra stuff, but I didn't start there. I remember going to like the track and running like my first five kilometers and like, I don't know how people do this. I felt like my knees were gonna tear. Like, so I didn't start just running these long. 20:49 things right so I feel like just 20:53 finding your baseline and building upon that is where you got to start. But I think people take it, you'll see like these unfathomable distances people are going and don't compare yourself to that. And you don't need to even be running or anything like that to test yourself. Like if you would go to your local gym and go on a steam room, you can sit in the steam room and like push yourself each, like you can only be in there, let's say 10, 15 minutes is like pushing yourself, right? 21:23 same feelings of like wanting to quit when I'm in the 40 hours into a swim. Yeah. That same feeling of wanting to leave, get all the water, get like instant 21:40 you'll get that same feeling just on a shorter scale in the sauna. It's just more intense, right? How does that affect your personal life outside of it? Like getting started like that. I give you a tell someone here to benefits to having that short-term gratification, but yet here at a long-term effects of doing what you're doing as a difficult way to train. Well, I think it's just investing in growth over time, right? It's like each time you do something. And that's, that's like the. 22:09 The only thing I've lived my life off is comfort, breeze, complacency because I remember getting done my America ride. 22:15 And people are saying that's a triple lifetime. When I was 18 years old or 19, I was like, that is triple my lifetime so far, but that can't be it at like 18, it was unreal. But so now at the point I like to take those previous highs, celebrate them, of course, make my new baseline and stack up top. So like never getting complacent because once you get comfortable where you're at, that's when your complacency comes in. Right. So even doing this training, you're investing your life on a long-term 22:45 scale so if you don't never staying complacent you're never getting comfortable where you're at and just like 22:53 falling back in your laurels and saying, oh, I used to back in the day, I did this, right? You always want to be incrementally boosting yourself, boosting yourself, boosting yourself. And it's satisfying to like look back and see tangible progress. And I used to be here and now I can do this. And like, it's a good feeling, you know? And in any discipline too, it's not even endurance and business and schooling and anything you do. 23:21 That's incredible. I think that anything that goes stagnant, the same thing as complacency and being comfortable, uncomfortable is exactly the same sentence. And we're given different alterations of what it means. Yeah, that is the crux to be able to grow is find yourself uncomfortable and then work your way through it. And the suffering is a big part of that. It's absolutely incredible. 23:45 I think a big thing that we're going to be announcing obviously is you and I's partnership. We're going to be able to do a lot of big things at, you know, Find Your Grid as well. And those training programs that we're going to be able to talk through about and have a larger scale to be able to intervene with and whatnot is going to be the way to be able to help so many other people around this world to take that first step to be able to say, all right, I got it now. Like, let me stick this. Let me see, you know, how many tangible things, which I think is the most important part. 24:15 into your suffering and then yet it spells out a story that you're able to look back on and see. So then when you are and it's like well I'm not gonna stop now. It's like well fuck that I just did like a month worth this or I did six months I just did a year. So you're not attaching on one thing so the accountability that we have on this app too is gonna be really helpful to be able to keep people on track and keep their own motivation. I think there's a lot of incredible things that 24:37 you're gonna be able to do in life and that we're gonna be able to do and I think one of the biggest things that I wanted to be able to bring up was the fact that many other people in this world asked so many big questions like in Q&A aspects was I'm sure you get a lot on your on your Instagram too but book recommendations, podcasts, what are things that bring people together that you have read that you had said all right like this is something I'd share immediately? I mean if you just want pure like 25:06 Motivation any of David Goggin stuff is I mean, it's like straight fuel on the fire It'll get you up and and that he's his Can't hurt me. It's ridiculous never finished is his new one. Yeah, but I mean a lot of this stuff I read and and a lot of the content I take in is based around the endurance side things or or this like mental always pushing yourself, so 25:37 One of my biggest people I look up to is Ross Edgeley. He's one of the best ultra swimmers on earth. So his books, he's got The Harder Desilience is his book around when he swam around mainland Great Britain over 157 days. That's always a big one I do. If you want something that's quicker and not reading, like Free Solo, Alex Honnold's documentary on climbing. 26:06 helicopter and You know somebody there and and the like seven eight year project that he worked through and like all the all the He's Amazing and and like getting into his mindset of a lot of people don't understand how he can do that and risk his life and this and that but me Seeing that I related to that 26:34 minute I saw it and like there's a saying in in base jumping or skydiving it's like um 26:45 for those who don't jump, for those who jump, no explanation is needed. And for those who don't jump, no explanation is possible. And for the things like Alex is doing, let's say, where he's risking his life, free soloing, not many people are gonna be able to understand that. But the people that do understand where he's coming from, it's... 27:13 I mean, it's a special thing that you can do with your life when you look past fear and look past... And you're willing to die for it. Yeah. And the thing with Alex is he doesn't feel like he's risking his life, right? He's trained so hard that if he feels like he's risking his life, there's a problem. Right? He's so dialed in that obviously, I'm sure you're aware of the risks and you're aware of the consequences, but you're not afraid per se, you know? Yeah. So... 27:41 I mean, those are things I watch and listen to, anything like that, 14 Peaks, NIMS project or... Well, let me go to the next thing real quick. I know I wanna touch in a little bit on that because... 27:59 Preparation to something that you're going to do. Let's say you're going to take on a big thing. I think that's a huge thing. Like we just talked about training in an atmosphere. Well, you can't have fear to get in the way of anything. Adrenaline and anxiety is the best tool in the world. And if you're willing to die for it, then you're able to make it situational. So a lot of people always say, okay, well, what does situational training look like? You know, what is it? It's not just on the tread. It's not just the hit. It's like, okay, I got to focus on reaction time. I got to test my fear. I got to test the adrenaline dump that then comes afterwards. 28:29 the hardest part with you the preparation or actually doing the event the actual race? Yeah it's always like an ultra event in itself getting to the start of the thing with like the things I'm doing it's easy to just sign up for a race and train. 28:49 I mean, it's not easy. You have to put in the work, but it's easier to have a path that's paved that like you signed for this race and you qualify for this one and you do well. And it qualifies you for this race. And then like you can compete there and you know, you're around the same skill levels, right? But these things like the swim per se, it's, it's, there's no path. There's no like rule book on or. 29:15 textbook on like how to do it right so when I first started this thing is literally just like making a list and checking it off and going through things and getting People like support crews and sponsors and and going through nutrition and the weather and going through getting these boats and aligning people's schedules and my training schedules and everything and and and then 29:43 get into the start and once you finally like the horn blows and you go it's like a breath of relief it's like oh my gosh like all I gotta do now is swim and like as hard as that may seem that's the easy part to me because it's so simple and so tangible it's like a lot of the work coming before it your confidence comes from your preparation right 30:09 You're never going to be prepared enough. Like me standing on the edge of that water. It's never like. How do you wrap your mind around being in the water for three days straight? Right? Yeah. You can't. It's just, you can wrap your mind around jumping in and going for a one kilometer swim, which you've done a million times. And then after that you go further and further and further. And when you're at the start of these things, your energy is high, but you have no momentum. 30:34 And as you drop in energy throughout this thing, like you're going to be grueling and grueling and getting more and more tired. Your energy is dropping, but your more or your momentum is boosting up. Yeah. And at that point you're getting to like, Hey, I'm a halfway point. Like I've never made it this far. Yeah. And then you're getting like, Oh man, I'm 70 K in like, who the hell is doing this? I'm doing this. Yeah. And like, that's how it goes. Right. But your energy might be lower, but you roll off that momentum. And that's the things like getting used to that stuff and training and, and putting yourself in. 31:04 situations that Allow you to be in the mindset of where you're gonna be at in the event, right? So A lot of people will give me hell for all are you swimming at nighttime and like by yourself is dangerous as a yeah Okay, I can see how you're saying that but I'm gonna be swimming at nighttime So I gotta swim at nighttime, right? I got to put myself in a position if I'm in a position where I feel hundred percent confident 31:34 on my own and like I can handle my own life and my own self, then when I get in a situation where I have people supporting me, I don't have to think about anything, right? So it's all about my training and preparation as much as it is physical, it's even more mental and just thinking about all these little things that can help you on the actual event day, which is where the preparation gives you the confidence. So 32:00 But again, it's like, you're never going to be ready enough. So the big thing is actually setting a date and having a date to get to. Because if you don't do that, you always be like, Oh, I could get another month of training. Like I could probably still be training. I still feel like, Oh, I don't know, man. Yeah. Cause you never know what's going to happen, right? At a certain point, it's like, you can't put any more. Um, 32:29 like performance forward, it's like effort. All I had to give on that first day when I got in that water was like I had done a bunch of training but I was also in, I had broke my leg the year before and I was off for like the whole winter. I couldn't do much so I got my like firefighter credentials. I was part of this firefighting course and I'm somebody who likes to see things through and this course just so happened to be 32:58 Right before my swim and like a two weeks leading up to it I was like away for a month and I couldn't swim because I was doing firefighting stuff for 16 hours a day so I was doing like battle ropes with old fire hose at the hall and like They had this muddy like mucky lake pond thing I was swimming by dead seagulls and and like this is like biohazard stuff but 33:26 I didn't honestly have a lot of confidence going into the swim, but what I did know I had was the ability to give effort. Like empty in the tank, I'm not going to stop until somebody pulls me out of the water or die in the water. And the previous experiences I have, and I don't think people like take that into account enough. 33:49 is everything you've done in your whole life can be utilized in the moment and the task at hand. If you allow it, if you enable it. Everything you've ever done can be a lesson. You can pick and pull from your previous experiences and implement it in your current situation. So, all I knew was like I had effort to give and I've had so many lessons that I could pull from and implement that. 34:14 that was where my confidence came from. 100%. Everything that you're saying is what I do is not only as a person, but as a company to try to redefine what that means. And I would think that everything that what you've just said is there's no ego to it other than the fact that you have to come in with ego. You have to be able to apply yourself and be able to fail. A lot of times to be able to say, OK, I'm 34:37 basing my success and confidence off of my subconscious of what I know I'm not gonna just say and give up on. Say, I'm gonna run a marathon. Where it's like, they didn't train, but they just told themselves, I'm gonna run a marathon. And your willingness to be able to do that. 34:51 I think the ability to subconsciously pick and choose the past to help you go forward is a completely different topic. I think that's the grace of what you were able to find through it. And it's funny how when you're outside of it, how it makes the rest of life so much easier. I mean, dedicate 48 hours of a straight run and what you compared it to an hour a day for seven days, you know, how long is 48 hours? Well, how much? 35:13 mental progression through the subconscious have you been able to achieve? Because I mean, tapping into our just who we are as everyday people is miniscule to what we actually are able to produce in our subconscious, which is training it very situational and knowing that success lies on I'm willing to die for it and I'm not going to stop and I'm not going to fail. And 35:36 I don't know, I think there's a lot of natural similarities as people listen to this on Find Your Grit. And like I said, I really, this whole interview was just literally let you talk, let you go at it. And there's so much into it too, that I think that a lot of people will gain from it. And a lot of questions that I'm sure people are gonna wanna ask. It's been a privilege to be able to have you up on it, sign you up in partnership with you and see where this world takes us, see how many people we can help. 36:02 Get that real great. Hell yeah. That was the thing. Appreciate it, brother. All right, brother. Of course, man. All right, guys, we'll see you guys next time.